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Зарегистрирован: Вс дек 18, 2005 11:42
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?????????? ?? ?????? ????.

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:evil: http://www.hannotte.net/Skeptic.htm
Sixth, Wolfram raised the hackles of the scientific panel as well as the
audience when he rejected a well-established theory of a famous
scientist: none other than Charles Darwin and his theory of natural
selection. Although Wolfram does not claim natural selection is totally
without merit, he does claim it is insufficient to fully explain the
complexity found in the biological world. For instance, he claims that
natural selection can explain phenomena such the lengthening of bones,
but not fundamental changes to an animal's morphology. Wolfram also
claims that, contrary to popular belief, evolution is not very important
to biologists.

http://www.firstthings.com/ftissues/ft0 ... /behe.html
When Wolfram turns to biological evolution he, like proponents of
complexity theory before him, rudely dismisses Darwinian theory as
overblown. But, again like those before him, Wolfram defends his ideas
by pointing to a few simple features of life that may possibly fit with
his math while passing over in silence the more complex underlying
features that don t. He writes, for example, that the geometric patterns
of coloration in butterflies and sea shells may arise from simple
physical constraints rather than specific coding in DNA. Well, maybe so.
But the pigments that cause the coloration are the products of enzymes
that are made by ribosomes that contain scores of complex macromolecular
components. Do CAs have anything to do with that? Wolfram give us no
reason to think so.

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J.F писал(а)::evil: http://www.hannotte.net/Skeptic.htm
Sixth, Wolfram raised the hackles of the scientific panel as well as the
audience when he rejected a well-established theory of a famous
scientist: none other than Charles Darwin and his theory of natural
selection. Although Wolfram does not claim natural selection is totally
without merit, he does claim it is insufficient to fully explain the
complexity found in the biological world. For instance, he claims that
natural selection can explain phenomena such the lengthening of bones,
but not fundamental changes to an animal's morphology. Wolfram also
claims that, contrary to popular belief, evolution is not very important
to biologists.

http://www.firstthings.com/ftissues/ft0 ... /behe.html
When Wolfram turns to biological evolution he, like proponents of
complexity theory before him, rudely dismisses Darwinian theory as
overblown. But, again like those before him, Wolfram defends his ideas
by pointing to a few simple features of life that may possibly fit with
his math while passing over in silence the more complex underlying
features that don t. He writes, for example, that the geometric patterns
of coloration in butterflies and sea shells may arise from simple
physical constraints rather than specific coding in DNA. Well, maybe so.
But the pigments that cause the coloration are the products of enzymes
that are made by ribosomes that contain scores of complex macromolecular
components. Do CAs have anything to do with that? Wolfram give us no
reason to think so.
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